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Fuzebox V2?
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Fuzebox V2?

by tonyd on Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:01 am

I've just noticed that Fuzebox kit is now shown as V1. Does that mean we can expect a Fuzebox V2 soon :wink:

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Re: Fuzebox V2?

by adafruit on Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:07 am

sadly there is a 'forced' redesign in the works because the SNES connectors are very hard to find. i will try to figure somethin' out :/

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Re: Fuzebox V2?

by tonyd on Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:12 am

ladyada wrote:sadly there is a 'forced' redesign in the works because the SNES connectors are very hard to find. i will try to figure somethin' out :/

What are you planning to use to replace the SNES connectors? The supply of multitaps here in the UK seems to have dried up completely :( . I know Parallax stock the vertical NES connector but I prefer the horizontal SNES style.

I've been thinking about cutting the SNES/NES plugs off the joypads and replacing them with a 9-way D plug and use a 9-way D socket on my PCB. I was also thinking about making the 9-way pinout Atari / Commodore joystick compatible to get that real "oldskool" look and experience :D

Atari Pinout
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\ o5 o4 o3 o2 o1/
 \ o9 o8 o7 o6 /
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Pin Joystick

1   Forward 
2   Back   
3   Left   
4   Right   
5   -       
6   Button 1
7   +5V *   
8   GND     
9   -

NES/SNES Pinout

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|(1) (2) (3) (4) | (5) (6) (7) |
+-----------------------------/

Pin Joypad
1   +5V
2   CLK
3   LATCH
4   DATA
5   N/C
6   N/C
7   GND


+5V and GND can from the SNES go straight to +5V and GND on the 9W D and the other signals connected as shown below:

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Pin Joystick   SNES

1   Forward    CLK
2   Back       LATCH
3   Left       DATA
4   Right      N/C
5   -          N/C
6   Button 1   N/C
7   +5V *      +5V
8   GND        GND
9   -          N/C


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Re: Fuzebox V2?

by uze6666 on Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:41 am

I seriously think compatibility is important here. The Uzebox/Fuzebox community is small but growing and dividing it with incompatible inputs and forcing coders to supports multiple configurations could only hamper that growth.

The best solution I can see is using the often proposed twin 4021 shift registers. They are cheap, don't add much more complexity, could be optional for those with NES/SNES controller and would keep the design backward compatible. With a flag in the EEPROM the kernel could know we have a DB9 port with reduced button set and remap dynamically.

My $0.02...

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Re: Fuzebox V2?

by karlgg on Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:18 pm

Considering your name is in the box, I think your opinion might be worth a penny or two more. :) Backwards compatability is a good thing, if you ask me.

If anything, I would probably go with something in a molex or such, a similar connector to what the NES had, but something that wouldn't be confused with something else. I love 9-pin D-Subs, but they have enough uses already. Making Nintendo controllers with Atari-looking (but incompatible) plugs sounds like heartache waiting to happen.

Unless you make V2 work with Atari joysticks. :)
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Re: Fuzebox V2?

by karlgg on Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:21 pm

Although, now that I think of it, there's always the old-school way of keeping you from plugging in the wrong thing... Make them male (plug) -female (socket), instead of female-male!

But I still vote for "find another one".
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Re: Fuzebox V2?

by adafruit on Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:12 pm

i was thinking of just going with NES and keeping pads for SNES if someone finds them
what i should probably do is head over the the uzebox forums and see whats been discussed since then!

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Re: Fuzebox V2?

by BikeHelmet on Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:42 pm

Hi,

I was just wondering if we could get some more info on what your plans are. I sent an email in, and was told me to post on the forums.

The SNES controller ports aren't available anymore? Will FuzeBox v2.0 have an upgraded processor, or be 100% the same except for the inputs?

Are there plans to somehow get/build more SNES ports, or are you leaning some other direction now?

Oh, and I think it should be called FuzeBox 1.1 if almost nothing is changing. :wink:

For a FuzeBox 2.0, maybe we can get an xmega with 16KB of S-RAM? :lol: The 256KB flash one is only a few dollars more than an ATmega644, on Mouser.com, so by the hundreds it seems like a nice cheap upgrade. Who knows - with 16KB and 32mhz, maybe uze6666 could get his video player running at a higher res?
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Re: Fuzebox V2?

by adafruit on Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:11 pm

we have a replacement for the SNES ports
i like the use of the DIP chip so we'll be sticking with that for now
the '1284 will eventually come out

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Re: Fuzebox V2?

by phossil on Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:49 pm

Pretty awesome stuff, I think I'll pick one of these up this weekend.

Regarding the processor upgrade to 1284 will that be as easy as popping in a new chip?
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Re: Fuzebox V2?

by adafruit on Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:46 am

yes...once the chip is released!

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