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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby decoder23 » Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:31 am

could the trace be cracked without being visible under a big magnifier glass? there is just r225 on this trace between the switch and pin 12 of ic17 and the trace looks fine. i also reheated every pad before trying to connect them with some wire... well, it doesnt matter much now, i am just curious :)

the vca is working. i had connectivity between the 2 points that you asked me to measure, but the voltages were different. after putting some solder on the side of the pcb, where the ba6110 is visible, i had the right voltage... kinda strange too, cause the 2 points were connected for sure.

i ran some tests now and it doesnt sound quite right :roll: i think it has to do with slide. i programmed some patterns and compared it with my other 2 x0xes and its definatly not how it should sound.
overall the sound is a bit different, but not bad. maybe it has to do with the 945p trannies, in my other x0xes i used 536f.
i try to upload some demos later...
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby guest » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:18 am

im glad to hear its mostly working

there are definitely small cracks that cant be seen

program in a pattern without slides
and see if it sounds the same or not
and then try the accents
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby decoder23 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:14 am

it doesnt sound the same with and without slides or accents. its mainly noticeable when you programm a slide from a lower note up to a higher note.
there is a slide but the second note gets pronounced too loud. hope you understand what i mean :/
its more noticeable at the square wave.

i am in trouble with my pc at the moment, after installing a driver my daw didnt work anymore. i am at reinstalling windows at the moment, maybe i am able to upload a demo if i finish this sh.. today.

overall this x0x sounds more "aggressive". the square doesnt sound as hollow as i am used to it from my other x0xes.
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby SubStyler » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:32 am

decoder23 wrote:it doesnt sound the same with and without slides or accents. its mainly noticeable when you programm a slide from a lower note up to a higher note.
there is a slide but the second note gets pronounced too loud. hope you understand what i mean :/
its more noticeable at the square wave.

what can you read exactly on your 4066 chip?
please check Q32 twice... is it NPN? is it proper soldered?

decoder23 wrote:overall this x0x sounds more "aggressive". the square doesnt sound as hollow as i am used to it from my other x0xes.

what did you use for Q28? SK30A-O or another?
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby decoder23 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:15 pm

hi substyler :>

the 4066 is marked as:

HCF4066BE
GK8140MJ

i got it from mouser i think.

Q32 is a 2SC945p and the soldering looks good.

Q28 is a 2sk30-O
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby guest » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:40 pm

it would be good to independently test the slide and accent
measure all the voltages on the 4066
first with nothing on
then just slides
and then just accents

im guessing a short between two pins on it
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby decoder23 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:23 pm

ok, maybe i wont be able to do it today.

i could make small demo now, if you wanna hear how it sounds.

didnt know wherelse i should upload it, so here is the link: http://ul.to/gkbqb40t

4 bars square and 4 bars saw with an, in my opinion, good sounding x0x and then the same with the new x0x. its a famous pattern where you can here it very good.
cutoff is 75% and reso 100% at both x0xes.

gonna try to find some time to measure the 4066 :D
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby SubStyler » Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:18 pm

when I hear this demosequence I think it's something wrong with your 4066.
as guest said measure all voltages on this chip... maybe there's a short and look around D26, D28, D29, D30 and D31 and check for proper orientation.
you should also check the voltages of IC11.
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby decoder23 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:46 pm

i fixed it. it was vr2 again. i desoldered this poti during this build about 3 times, the solderpads didnt like that :oops: some wires were helpfull again.
after fixing the strange slides, i played a bit with tm3 and it was turned up way too much, this explains the "aggressive" sound :lol:

tomorrow i am gonna check all functions again and if everything works, i think we (means all helpers in this thread) have made it :D
special thx to guest for all the help on the last 3 pages and for encouraging me to fix this x0x.
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby guest » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:19 am

all good news
hopefully thats the last bit
now go make some acid
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby decoder23 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:58 am

roger that :mrgreen:

here is a pic, the middle one is the beast ^^

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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby guest » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:39 am

looks great
those silver function knobs rock
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby SubStyler » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:53 am

decoder23 wrote:i fixed it. it was vr2 again.

the problem with the traces under the pot where the support legs stands on a trace?
therefore I've made new PCBs with another routing of traces, so there are no longer traces under any pot :)
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Re: weird voltages after vca section was soldered

Postby decoder23 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:38 pm

guest wrote:looks great
those silver function knobs rock


yeah, i just got them from mr. substyler :D

@substyler

the first problem i had was caused by those traces under the poti. now the solderpads were bad due to desoldering the poti 3 times (3rd desoldering was to fit in the centered pot)
good work with your new PCBs, i am looking forward to transistorize them :mrgreen:
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