n0nx0x beta

[antto]

try setting triplet mode again a few times (FUNC+TRIPLET) and play the pattern again..

[headcheck]

Hi Many thanx for the firmware seems to create so more happy accidents LOL especially with the random button.

just to let you know that i cant seem to get any midi out in any setting other than the random setting.

Also midi snyc edit mode does not seem to work, Dync sync in edit mode is fine.

Lastly the triplet mode is not quite right it works when using pattern sync out but when you use dyn sync or midi sync it just cycles round the 12 notes rather than fitting them into 1 bar so what basically happens is your pattern will go out of time (makes for some good poly rhythms but not quite as expected)

P.s love to see the midi out fixed soon if poss im working on a project and i need to have a vst playing the same x0x line and the dealine is approaching i would switch back to S0kk0s but just created a load of cracking lines in n0nx0x

Thankx again for your time on this

Paul

[antto]

hi
i can't fix midi or dinsync issue because i don't have any other gear to sync the x0xb0x to.. it was hard to make external sync work at all in the first place
also, there is not much space left in the CPU, so even if i am able to solve the problem - it might get too big to fit on the CPU..
sorry for this

in case you didn't know.. we are waiting for a new CPU-Mod
if all goes well, i will be able to continue developement of this firmware and the new sequencer will have more things in (and bug fixes ofcourse)

but as for now.. i don't know

does the triplet pattern appear correct in internal sync but then it doesn't in external sync?!
this might be something to do with the clock reseting on external sync, i have no clue..

MIDI output is not available, that's additional code that takes space on the CPU..

[headcheck]

Oh Ok

Thanks for the reply. I will keep an eye on the forum for the CPU Mod.

Cheers

[3phase]

also here..waht is the staus wright now?
Do you plan for futher development when the new cpu is available?

ANd..the latest version is the one in the first article?

thnx

[antto]

of course, i don't have any reason to stop developement of this thing once i have the bigger CPU here
the latest version is beta1.02 on the first post

[LZ303]

Hi,

i am very happy with your OS and can't wait for the CPU upgrade to have all features you are planning to implement.

Now my question: Is it possible to implement the octave up/down function in pitch mode into the latest 1.02 version or is it not possible due to lack of memory/Insufficient memory?
As I mentioned in an older post i am used to program ups/downs during pitch mode, not after reentering pitch mode.

Thanks...

PS: Maybe also a nice new feature for the OS after CPU upgrade :

Like on a SH101: Arpeggiator function with hold button

[antto]

hi
up and down.. i will see
the thing is, i figured i want to re-code most of the stuff from zero now, so modifying the current code is kinda boring as it's gonna get deleted after that

i'm not familiar with SH101, but i don't think i like arpeggiators
this is a 303 after all ;]

[covent]

anyone who got the panel design for n0nx0x in Adobe Illustrator format or has anyone started to work on the whole design for this project?

[antto]

there are currently 2, mine and darffader's
only covering the sequencer buttons at this stage..
i exported mine to TIFF (iirc) and went to a xerox shop nearby
printed the thing on thik (white carton) A4 paper

you could do the same, but you should also know that.. it's still too early
some of the buttons might change in the next versions
and probably the panel layout would need to cover the whole panel (when the OS gets more stable) .. or at least the FUNC switch
but i don't know now
use some cheap solution like paper for now

[3phase]

Hi Annto..

have you read this?
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3975&start=345#p98981

I personally would like to see your os version as refined as possible with the standard cpu because i would like to have the xox as 303ísh as possible..

so its really great that you brought it this far allready..
to be like a real 303 is defently sequencer related and the focus for your special os should be on the 303 specialitys .

therefore 101 like features are gimmicks you can have with any plug in.. while up/down octave is a quite essential original 303 function.. and probably much easier to implement anyway..

so thanx for your efforts so far and i hope you keep it going

[antto]

yes, i've read it, you can see i've replyied to it

i have some good news: i have a new audio card with MIDI (huge thanks to rv0)
so, now i can debug MIDI sync and other MIDI related functions in n0nx0x
the first thing i noticed after syncing my x0x to my DAW was there is a bug with MIDI sync
and i'll need some help from you guys
the problem: n0nx0x syncs with a few clock ticks later, it's noticable at low tempos
but both MIDI sync and Din sync share the same code, so i think maybe this bug is present in DinSync mode too? but i still can't test that myself

so, i need someone with n0nx0x and a DinSync device (a drum machine would be great)
sync the x0x to the other machine (thru dinsync) and program 4 drum sounds or something on each beat
then (if possible) pan one machine to the Left channel and the other machine to the Right channel
play them together at some "normal" tempo (130 for example) and then bring the tempo down to 10BPM or as slower as you can, then send me the audio somehow

thanks

[3phase]

i havent installed non xox yet because i had to do some additional modding to my xox and actually feared sync problems.. buts maybe time to do the change now when you are about to fix it,,

i hope i get the os dumped smoothly.. and will do some timing measurements

[3phase]

Hi anto,

finaly made it to get the os installed.. great work..its really much closer to a 303 feel..

thanks sofar for that..

i hope you dont mind if i do some remarks before i forget it..

first the midi sync.. i need to evaluate more..but it seems to drift.. especially on patterns that are not on 16 steps..or maybe it just gets visible there more? also the start timing is very early in relation to the original os..wether this is good or bad i cant say yet..have to compare with other machines..

for the functionality in relation to a real 303 i am missing in pitch input that the up/down octave key is not active while typing in..so octav basslines are not as easy to make as on a real 303. you also get a better idea what you want to play when the full octave range is accesible ..that is defently a plus for the real 303..

while this is not supported on the real 303..would it be possible that slide and accents can be played in pitch write mode aswell..
would safe time and that this is not possible on a real 303 is no reason to dont allow it... depends on the coding effort..
maybe its easy within your code?


what is a bit irritating is that you can enter pitcn and setup mode without pressing the function key but of cause one can get used to it..


One feature wish that also goes a bit beyond real 303 but is missing badly there.. in pitch mode where you set accents and slides you advance with the step button..but you cant go back..

in case the step edit would be only accesible via Func, one could use the back button for that..

or any other free button.. even when this would be just a jump back to the one position would help allready to safe some moves and allow faster sequence editing... another button could be active in step write too..so one could better write..what would make a bit up for the missing tab input..

maybe the pattern clear button could be used to that.. pressed short it goes one step back..pressed long it resets to the one..

and the setp button could be active in step wright too.. when setp write than would have ausio feedback as the pitch mode one could very easily do edits somhow in real time.. that goes beyond the 303...but would make the sequencer better.


editing while beeing in sync... ..in midi sync not possible.. or?


What comes in my mind regarding syncing ..it would be great if the nonxox would recat to midi clock similar like a 909.. so it starts in midisync..but you can stop and restart it manually...

its necesarry for that the start button would react very fast...and when this mode would be accesed in edit mode aswell..on could start by hand in time while beeing in editmode and therfore edit patterns while playing with others without interrupting the master clock.

I also wonder if its necessary to have extra sync edit modes.. maybe to much for the actual cpu ..but in case you plan to expand on nonxox..

woulnd it be possible that the edit mode..when selcted whlie the machine is runing ..would take over the syncmode of choice automaiticaly? and just keeps running.. and than you can do the manual stop and start...do all your edits and restart as good in time as you can..but at least in the wright tempo?

in any case it would be nice if moving the mode selector knob would keep the machine running regardless in which sync mode it is..

maybe its enough to to make it switch with a lag..so it at least can keep running when you made it too select the wright syncedit mode..

in any case it would be nice to be manually able to restart the machine while beeing in such a syncmode. in the moment the nonxox has a pronounced waiting time before starting in edit mode.. is that necessary?

And ..in the preview mode it would be nice when transpose would be available too.. espacially with synced editmodes the whole thing acts an alternativ play mode than...

And the last one.. defently nothing for the small cpu..but what do i know..

The ability to edit multiple patterns as in the real 3o3.. therfore preview would need to have the multipattern selct enabled.. and when going from that slection into write mode one would need to go thru all the involved steps.
but especially with the previos mentioned sequnecer enhancements this stuation would be quite good controlable.
especiall when you have the jump back to one possebility.. difficult probaly..

however.. this all looks very promissing allready..
hope you are still motivated to develop it further..would be nice to use this mainly..
thx for the good work

greets.
Sven

[3phase]

and a question.. on your overlay.. theese random and copy buttons have a function?

in any case pattern copy would be something the origina 303 is missing badly..

i am experiancing some strange things with the pattern tempos somehow..one started to run at 32th rate..


and one more feature request..would be nice if the slected pattern would stay when you go into edit mode.


and sorry to write so much..but just testing it and dont know when i can get to it again beacuse i ve a gig soon..


a few more things

a discusable question.. the original 303 and nonxox hold the transpoition not on a pattern change.. however it would be nice if one could swith the pattern and keep the transposition..maybe while holding the clear button while changing the pattern.

it could be also nice when the up /down button would be activ in transpose mode. so you can play more octaves than on a real 303..

And one thought about the timing problem in sync..

is that maybe related to the later implementation of the sync algorythm?

In roland drum machine os´s the clock input is the first interupt point for the internal program and all other reqest come from that..
so nothing gets in the way of the clock execution..

And regarding the note buffer of pitch edit..


there is some speciality of the 303 that is probably just for safing code but turns out to be a feature..

the note memory is shared between the patterns.. so when you write a 3 atep pattern..and change that to more steps with rewriting the note data.. the extra notes are taken from allready written patterns.. so ther is no indepedent note memory for each pattern with 16 steps.. its ratehr one note memory...at least per bank..

i would need to check closer again to figur out exactly how that is structurized.. so if you are intersted in that let me know.

One advantage of the behaviour of the real 303 is..

when you erase all patterns in a bank.. and than write the first patterns note data... all other patterns will access this note data..so when the first pattern just gets 5 notes..all patterns in the bank share that 5 notes, but you write independet slide and accents for each and gate seq on each pattern. however..its not such an important feature,
but maybe the original structure has some code safing potential.. i wouldnt say its necessary to be in this regard totaly like a 303.

i am pretty happy with the extra tie button allready.. that really missing badly in the other xox os.